top 10 reasons Utah Sucks

1.Utah does not even have a baseball or football team.
2.Utah specializes in "milk and cookie" parties!!!!
3.Utah media seems to concentrate on crime in other states(especially California) when it occurs 700 miles away from them?
4.Utah has a basketball team that can never, EVER win a championship title!!!!
5.Utah used to be submerged under a disgusting stinky body of water called Lake Bonneville!!!!
6.Utah has more methamphetamine labs per capita than any other state!!!!
7.In Utah you have to slow down to about 10mph when driving over
train tracks or else you'll have to get your alignment fixed.Thats EVERY train track in the city!!!
8.People in Utah blame all their problems on Californians...with this attituse they will never solve their problems!!!!!!
9.Utah is one of the only states that puts an exclamation mark after it's name on their license plates.Utah! Like it's something special.
10.People in Utah county actuall think 2 people holding each other(in Titanic) is Sexually Explicit!!!!!!

Shadow,
Do you think you can find 10 positive notes on Utah now. JEEEEEESH.........

You forgot how tolerant we are of those who are negative and can't recognize good even when they are living right in the heart of it. Like I asked before, if you hate it here so much, why stay? It says something about you as a person.

You'd better get to Smith's in a hurry. I think they are having a big sale on those sour grapes you consume all the time.

Shine http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif

other than the high taxes and the influence the LDS church has on the government, i love living in utah!
i can't think of a better place to raise kids, but the classrooms are too crowded.
you can have all 4 seasons in one day if you drive far enough.
the mountains are the best and southern utah has some of the prettiest scenery anywhere.

High taxes? Please! The LDS church should have that much influence on the government in Washington D.C. and maybe we could all sleep better and we certainly would have pride in our country again.

Shadow,

I for one love "milk & cookie parties!"

If Utah really is such a seething cauldron of horrible, rotten things, I would question you as to why you'd want to live in such a place.

No one is forcing you to live here. If you don't like it, then move somewhere else. Move to Sodom & Gomorrah if you'd feel more at home there.

[This message has been edited by Jode Christensen (edited 06-23-99).]

why should the LDS church be singled out to have any influence on our government? what makes them so much better than say catholics? or any other religion? what does religion have to do with having pride in our country? can't a non-religious person have pride in our country?

and as far as saying "if you don't like it here, move"..... if you would read what i wrote instead of putting words in my post, you would notice i said "i love living in utah". doesn't it get lonely living so high upon that pedestal?
sorry, but thats how you make me feel!

casper,

I think that you've misunderstood my post. It was directed towards Shadow and his post! It was not made in response to anything you'd said. http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif

ok~ http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif
but everything else i said still stands!

Casper;

As I read the comments between you and Jode, I understood her response to be directed at SHADOW and not you. In fact, as I looked at the thread started by Shadow and the title that he has given it, the same thought ran through my mind, if it is so bad here in Utah, why stay? I am here by choice. My job doesn't require me to be here. I have no other family living in the state. I am here because I find it a pretty great place to live, as do you I believe. So, the question for Shadow yet remains unanswered, "Why not catch the next Greyhound Bus outta here?" They leave from McDonalds (as if you didn't already know that!). Vegas is full of employment opportunities as are casinos in the East. I'm sure that a man of your talent and ability would have no problem finding a job in an area free of the religious persecution that you certainly must feel here in Utah. I'll even buy you a Big Mac to feed your family as the bus pulls out of town and fades off into the sunset. What do you say?

casper,

I hope that your post was not referring to me. I do not set myself on a "pedestal."

I simply believe that their are some moral absolutes. Right and wrong are not determined by committee. They are eternal, unchangeable truths.

Children, please!!!

Is everyone here really so desparate for a conversation that it has to take this tone?

Casper, no one makes you feel anything; you choose to feel how you feel.

Shadow is a person who thrives on conflict. Why must we endulge his addiction? Forget the poor fool.

Everyone else, let's move on!

Respectfully,
Fred

just for he record.... jode edited her post so it showed that it was directed at shadow.

and fred, you are the greatest.. you must have a libra moon! you come through every time and smooth things out like the gentleman you are!

FredII;

Good point! I can ignore the fool as well as the next man (I think). I will give it my best effort as of 6/24 at 2:04 p.m. (I wonder how long I can keep this challenge) One, two, three, four .........................

casper,

I did not edit my post to redirect it towards Shadow. I edited it to add in the last paragraph, which I kind of liked. http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif As you can see, I edited it less than 1 hour after posting it and before the post in which you mistakenly claim I’d disparaged you.

So now, as Fred asked, let’s play nice! http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/biggrin.gif

adam....
i wanted to say thanks to you too. (my phone rang)...
but in the long run, shadow has the right to live and breath and yes, complain here too. i don't like the response
"if you don't like it here, then move"
it is like (whomever is saying it) can't think of a good response, so they say that.
(and i know you have better taste than that)
so i agree, shadow, lighten up a little. we know that you picked utah because you like it here too, so stop complaining.
see, i made nice with everyone... http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif

Let's all sing together...
IF you chance to meet a frown
Do not let it stay.
Quickly turn it upside down
and smile that frown away.

No one likes a frowny face,
Change it for a smile!
Make the world a better place
by smiling all the while.

casper dear, you mentioned you didn't like the influence the LDS church has on Utah government. In case you don't know this, the LDS people settled Utah because they were driven out of every other place they tried to live peacefully. How can you question their influence here? The Catholics nor Pentecostals nor Lutherans had anything to do with settling this state. They came later and started threads like "Top 10 reasons Utah sucks." I would welcome any religion having a positive influence on the Supreme Court, the president and the government at large. I was just trying to make a point.

i don't think any religion should have any influence on any part of the government. (seperation of church and state) i don't care what religion or which state...
i would welcome any group of people no matter what their religion that could have a positive influence anywhere.
and yes, i do know the stories of how the mormons were persecuted...oh poor them. how about gay men and women, welfare moms, asians, blacks, the list goes on and on and on and on.......

"If you don't like it here, then move" is just logical. I wouldn't move to Alaska because I hate the cold weather. If I hated the Mormons and all their Christian influence, I wouldn't move to Utah!

I was wondering how long Shadow could last in neutral before the bashing would resume.

The one thing we can't do is start fighting among ourselves.

Milk and cookies anyone? http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/wink.gif

Shine http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif

Here in Utah the seperation of church and state is something that is unheard of.Here the line between church and state has become so blurred that civil rights have evaporated.As anyone knows who has lived very long in utah,far from encouraging freedom(as one might expect)the all pervasive presence of the mormon church hangs like a heavy cloud of oppression that cant be escaped anywhere.This is so true concerning two of the rights that Americans hold so dear.Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press.Here in Utah these are not exercised without widespread constraint.Here non mormons are called Gentiles and a majority of non mormons consider themselves to be victims of discrimination.

Dearest Shadow:

Have you ever seen the movie "Hook?" There is a scene in it where the head Lost Boy, Rufio, is in an insulting contest with Peter (Robin Williams). Of course, Peter being a lawyer, is able to out insult Rufio. Rufio gets more and more frustrated and finally shouts "You man, you stupid, stupid man." When all else failed and he felt backed into a corner, the best he could come up with was, "You stupid, stupid man."

You are Rufio. The best you can come up with is "Utah Sucks."

It's a great strategy; when you can't think of anything valid to say, say something idiotic. At least you draw the attention that you crave.

Fred Please read my last post.Freedom in Utah is what the LDS Church says it is.I wonder why that is?In 1975 the Utah Supreme Court with its Mormon majority handed down a suprising decision..... The First Amandment to the U.S Constitution-Which guarantees freedom of speech,freedom of the Press,Freedom of assembly and freedom of religion-did not apply in Utah,but was only a limitation on the federal government.

Rufio:

I'm not that much of a historian, so I'll give you the benefit of an overwhelming doubt and stipulate that what you report is correct. Now, if the Utah supreme court made such a huge blunder in 1975, why hasn't the Fed made any progress in correcting the error in 24 years?

Even with such a blatant misrepresentation of the constitution, as you put it, it seems Utah has done reasonably well in spite of it. With the exception of a few nags such as yourself, the population is content to live in relative peace and happiness in sucky old Utah.

You are so predisposed to finding fault with life in general that you fail to note that your quality of life is well above what it would be elsewhere.

Certainly there are areas of improvement to be made. As others have suggested, you ought to spend your effort making it a better place rather than dedicating your life's work to endless and fruitless whining about everything from perceived religious oppression to the lack of gratuitous entertainment for your emotional sink-hole of a mind.

You don't want freedom OF anything. You want freedom FROM everything.

Fred I nor anyone else should have to change to live in Utah.The Rights that the U.S Constitution gives us should apply here as well as for the other States.Here it seems that the rights given all men are pushed aside in favor of the Laws that the LDS church hands down.That is not the way is should be.I shall not change to fit some crazy nuts.

Shadow;

Don't look now but you are already NUTS! The good news is, you didn't even have to change!

There is only one “heavy cloud of oppression” in Utah that I’m aware of. And it is the twin invading terrors of Meth and Gambling.

Personally, I’d like to see the police put together another sting operation where I-15 enters the southern part of the state. I’m convinced that I-15 is a sewer. This drug corridor should be shut down by aggressive, random vehicle searches, particularly of out-of-state vehicles.

Jode now you want to take away someone right to drive I-15 because they are for out of State.

No; I didn't say that. This would not take away anyone's right to drive I-15. It just might catch a bunch of bad guys running drugs. You wouldn't be opposed to that, would you?

Jode if you only stop out-of-state vehicles then were does it lead to.Only out-of-state vehicles with Black people in them.Or how about only out-of-state vehicles with Black Males that look between 19-25.Were does it end.

Rufio:

You would do well to take a philosophy class. You might learn a thing or two about invalid arguments like the slippery slope you just used.

Good luck in your quest for the ability to reason logically.

This morning I came across a vent in the Spectrum that appears to have been written by Shadow. In the vent, he complains that Cedar City isn’t celebrating the Forth of July on Sunday. The author of the vent goes on to rave about the separation between church and state, and how he is not amused. Perhaps you’d be happier somewhere else, Shadow? Cedar City has every right to celebrate the Forth whenever it would like to, thank you very much. It doesn’t need your put-downs. Just because we have some classy forms of entertainment, such as the Shakespearian Festival, doesn’t mean you have to try to drag us down into the gunk of the gutter.

I would also comment that I was appalled by the numerous Casino ads in the Spectrum. If anything, this situation has gotten worse! An ad on the front page, and full-page ad inside. Where will it end?!

My neighbor tells me that my visits to her house each Saturday to peruse her copy of the Spectrum is one of the highlights of her week. For some reason, she finds it entertaining to watch me read this rag.

Jode,I did not write it but after reading it I would say that it is something I agree with.

Separation of church and state says who??

Doesn't it say that govt. will not establish a state/govt. religion. That is a lot different than separation. As presently thought of by the idiots in Washington this has been construed to mean the abolishment of any religion from any mention in govt. Now that doesn't count what is currently Politically Correct such as Gay Rights etc.

I am not advocating any one religious belief over another but almost anthing has to be better than whatever is currently in vogue with the self styled leaders.

Sometimes I wonder what I am doing living in a place like Utah that Limits Freedom so Casually??? Example: Having the right to drive down State Street more than 3 times past 11:00pm........? Isn't that taking away my freedom?

I'm also wondering about the new purchase the LDS church just made.....buying Main Street between North Temple and South Temple... From what I understand this was either going to be a "state" park or an "expansion of Temple square"? Now.... The question I ask is whether the planned "pedestrian mall" which is now under construction will include First Amendment rights for all visitors...or just Mormons?

PITA,

Perhaps you'd be happier in Nevada. As to your concern about a church buying some land, I think you are misguided in your concerns, if not quite paranoid.

I've always found people with an innate hostility towards people of faith to be a curiosity. I've never quite understood what makes them tick. Perhaps you could fill us in on some of these details.

In the meantime, I'd recommend you move to San Francisco and establish your own chapter of the ACLU. No doubt its moral climate, or lack thereof, would be more to your liking.

PITA,

I’m just wondering if you also feel that your freedom is threatened by the oppressive drug laws. For instance, you can’t legally take Meth. Does this make you feel oppressed as well?

Also, if it is true that Utah specializes in "milk and cookie" parties, then this is the place for me!!! There is nothing finer!

I found an interesting article in the Tribune about liquor laws in Utah at www.sltrib.com/06271999/utah/4411.htm (http://www.sltrib.com/06271999/utah/4411.htm) .

This is but one of the reasons I'm proud to live in Utah. If you think our liquor laws are too strict, then no one's keeping you from moving.

It also amazes me how sometimes newcomers to the area will begin to make complaints about how Utah isn't just like where they used to live. As Dorothy once famously observed, "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto."

Yes, if you are unhappy with our fine state there's nothing keeping you from moving elsewhere. As Independence Day approaches, I proudly stand to defend the honor of this great state. I think that settles that. http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Jode Christensen (edited 06-27-99).]

Jode;

You are AMAZING!
It's funny that you can read my 2 paragraph post and know so much about me! You are right, I would be happier in Nevada (not!) I think you must have read between the lines or something to judge me so quickly!...
What I want you to do this time is.... Go back up to my post and read it "slowly" this time.. I never said one thing about not liking Utah... I said I "sometimes" wonder why I live here.... BIG DIFFERENCE! I happen to love living in Utah, my concern was "why is my right to drive down the road a certain amount of times being taken away"?

Also: for your Meth comment; I do not find myself oppressed by the drug laws, I am happy to state that I have never taken drugs in my lifetime and I am 100% for drug laws, (which I might add had nothing to do with my posts, but thanks Jode for throwing that in)..
But wait...there's more... I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I have NEVER committed any crime..... .. Can this be so bad? Obviously, in your eyes the bad part about me is that I am not mormon...
Jode; one question for you: Do you get out much? Besides relief society and other church gatherings (with Milk and Cookies), Would you have the common sense if you were to find yourself lost in the woods somewhere to do something besides pray for help??

P.S. The things that make "people like me" tick would be my husband, my family, my good friends, and "my" beliefs and being hostile towards the people of the faith, since to you I have none....there..is that so bad??

[This message has been edited by PITA (edited 06-27-99).]

jode, what are you doing? trying to scare every newcomer we get away?
i think i figured you (and some others) out. if you don't eat what i eat, drink what i drink, say what i say and think the way i think, then out with you.........
well i say this to you. i don't like the way you think so you leave. maybe i was here before you, so you are infringing on my rights and you do not believe the way i believe so maybe you need to live somewhere else....

stupid huh?......................... well thats just how you sound.

PITA,

Thanks so much for your detailed response. Perhaps my comments were a bit overstated; if so, I apologize. I think I responded not so much to what you were saying as to the general theme of this thread, which has gotten my dander up. I was already feeling kind of defensive before your post, and your post kind of set me off. I’m sorry if I evaluated you incorrectly. I tried my best; but it was hard with the shortness of your original post.

I am happy that you found me amazing. I also hope I didn’t startle you off. Everyone here loves newcomers to this forum!! I’ll try to relax a little more. Perhaps you could better understand my frustration if you knew how often Utah has come under assault by certain forum members. I’m just trying to defend its honor and good name!

Again, on behalf of all forum members, Welcome to the Forum!!! There’s much for you to investigate here. If you search a little, you’ll find the forum that has become my crusade to educate and warn the people of Washington & Iron counties.

Thanks again for your presence & participation!!

casper,

Now, I don’t think this way at all. I just get a little defensive when people try to besmirch the good name of Utah. This comes at an especially bad time since it’s approaching the Forth of July. As such, I feel more compelled than I ordinarily would to defend the honor of this great country and state.

I am happy you’re a regular forum member here, casper. I don’t want you to leave Utah, either! Well, that’s it for now. I’ve got a wonderful new Jell-O recipe that I’m trying out so I need to go check on it. So that’s it for now.

Happy Forth of July!!

Hooray for a more relaxed Jode ----

The thing to do if you really dont like the laws is to either ignore them or circumvent them (civil disobedence its called).

BUT IF YOU GET CAUGHT YOU PAY THE PRICE.

The best thing about having Mesquite so close is one can run down the road to do what is not allowed in Utah if one wants.

Jode I found it interesting that the article in the paper said (if I remember right) that the purpose of the state liquor stores and the quaint laws was to discourage people from drinking. Ah well since the good qualities of living here vastly outweigh the minor irritations I choose to stay.

At least its not as crazy as the booze laws in the Baptist states, ie. Texas and most of the south. Dry counties, dry lines running next to a large town with a mile of bars and liquor stores just over the line. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

We can't legislate morality or clean living. That must come from the inner morality.

I love the word "besmirch."

In defense of the great state of Utah, I state:


As stated by Fred in the 4th of July forum, it is the Government that insists on a holiday be recognized on the following Monday. It has nothing to do with Utah or religion.

Not only are Utah cities celebrating the 4th of July on a different date, but at least one other city outside of Utah that I know of(Idaho Falls, Idaho) is also having their festivities on a later date. I am sure there are other cities, outside of Utah, that are too postponing their joyous activities of the 4th, one day.

Yeah! Thank you for standing with the Great State of Utah!!! And have a wonderful Forth of July!!

Hey PITA bread, so you came out from behind the "Shadow"?

Let's see, we have sour grapes, PITA bread, nuts and a fruit cake. I think it's time to change your eating habits.

Shine http://gaston.infowest.com/ubb-new/smile.gif

PITA,

I was just wondering what kind of sales you were in.

It's more marketing than sales actually.
I work for a company where we staff temporary doctors at facilities where they are needed to replace other doctors who are vacationing, on materninty leave, or other reasons of absence. I've been doing it about 3 years and find it to be more interesting every day.
Sincerely
PITA BREAD....

How nice! Welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy our company.

The forum members here are kind of like a typical classroom. There are the class clowns, the brooding students who sit in the back and are quick to pick on others, the students that are here to learn, and so on.

Depending on the forum, I’m usually one of the eager-to-learn students. In one forum I play the role of a teacher.

[This message has been edited by Jode Christensen (edited 06-29-99).]

I like Utah!
There isn't much I don't like. I even tolerate them changing the 4th of July though I'm quite sure it is for religious reasons.

As for the criminals. Let the police stop all people. I don't mind being stopped. It does work. I-15 wouldn't be the highway of choice then. Actually if you catch them, shoot them on the spot. It sounds tough but it works and you wouldn't have to do that many in.

So go ahead and Love Utah, at least St. George is great!

July 4th is a national holiday. What day does the rest of the country celebrate it? That should answer the question whether religion may have crept into the situation.

I wonder why if all the states are under the same constitution why the laws vary so much from state to state?

There was a good article in the Opinion page of the paper today. What difference does the date make? What are you celebrating anyway?

Or is this just another chance to complain about the percieved woes of living here. Love it, change it, stop complaining or leave it. All good choices. Just constantly complaining gets a little boring after awhile.

Hiflier;

AMEN! However, there are chronic complainers that just have to whine a little for attention. The Predominant Religion is an easy target for the vocal minority. Last time I checked, the majority rules. What a concept! Kinda what makes America great don't you think.

Adam the last time I checked America was suposed to be a Republic. World of difference from a democracy. The most totalitarian state possible is a democracy. The majority is a cruel despot.

However I understand your idea and thanks for the good strokes.

Hey lets start a campaign for more gambling adds in the papers - maybe they will pay enough where we get free papers. We can read the good stuff and ignore the adds. Come to think of it I do that now - ah well.

shadow i could give you a few more reasons, but not tonight its late. but i'm stuck where it sucks and it aint all bad.

[Threelibras]

Alright I just want to write this because it needs to be said and I have both objectives on this because I was born in Utah and raised to the age of 13 there before my Dads company had his job moved to Colorado (thank god for that) When i first left I was destroyed I thought Utah was amazing. As I grew up I finally learned what it was really about...IGNORANCE. People in Utah are like the people that live in a small town of about 50 or something. They are so scared to accept anything new or different. I maybe saw about 2 black people when I lived there and even than their were prejudice comments about them. I am not Black by the way so it has nothing to do with that. My dislike for Utah comes from all the times Ive looked back in my childhood and remebered Adults (teachers, parents, neighbors) Act like they were small children themselves. Oh dont like this person they're not mormon or you cant be associated with this person their of a different race. People in Utah are the most close minded individuals I have ever come across. No one can just be themselves there without getting feedback from people who know nothing about their situations. I thank my dad at least once a month for saying ok to moving here to colorado. People in colorado and other states in the us (at least a majority) are nothing like the people in Utah. I think If I being the person I am now would have grown up in Utah I would have ended up a horrible mess if I had stayed there. Because of my environment here I have learned to embrace Diversity and am probably very much more open minded and accepting of everyone. My friend was in the newspapers in utah because he killed himself because he was mormon and gay and he thought no one would accept him and was afraid of his family rejecting him. I do know that he did this himself Utah was not to blame but this type of mentality among people in Utah is what causes this type of thing to happen. I dont blame utah but I do blame this people IN Utah for practicing this type of thinking in their communities as a normal way of life, and yes everyone has their own beliefs but it something a person should be able to choose for themselves and not be forced down their throat from the time they are small children. And for the small group that are not this way I commend them for putting up with this everyday because I think I would be the first one running out of the state as fast as I could to avoid the corruption. And if the web admin or anyone else on this site wants this post removed than you have definitely proved my point and I thank so much for that. With all that being said I can think of 10 positive things about Utah and here they are

The mountains
Camping
Cost of living is lower than here
Downtown is beautiful
Schools are high quality
good educational system when it comes to the basics (not taking a whole history class learning about brigham young would be alot better)
Not as much violence as many cities
the feeling of safeness in most neighborhoods
Six flags Lagoon
Raging waters


But even with all that combined it doesnt compare to the feeling of just being welcomed in almost every other place in united states for just being who you are.

[goodbird]

threelibras: you don't mentioned how old you are now but I sense that you possess a perspective based on limited experience in living in this country.

I am 63 years old. I have lived in California most of my life and Utah for a year now. I have also lived in Arkansas, New Mexico, Oregon, Michigan, and Okinawa. The things you mention in your post can be found anywhere. In Arkansas, I was the recipient of the "good old boy" rejection, and those people in general don't care much for Californians or anyone who isn't "from around here". Oh, they tolerate you, but don't expect fair treatment when it comes to things of value, such as a job or home. In Okinawa, Americans were tolerated but we sure didn't fit in their culture.

I was just a young boy in Michigan, but guess what? When I went back there after six years in California, my "accent" gave me away to anyone I talked to. They were polite but asked me where I came from so they must have noticed something different. Why would they do that?

I have traveled some too. At the Boston Logan airport, I was jostled a lot trying to claim my luggage by rude people who would have walked right over me and not even notice. I have been ignored for long periods of time at airline counters by some one with an attitude that I was an annoyance and not someone who contributed to their paycheck.

As a Mormon, (which I haven't been all that long) I have been taken to task to stand up for my beliefs and not because of anything I said or did but just because my beliefs are different from someone else.

I am glad you are enjoying Colorado. I hear it is a wonderful place to live. If that is what makes life enjoyable for you, then that is where you should be. But I ask, what possible purpose would you have to issue a statement such as you posted other than to trash the good that others enjoy in our state?

Goodbird:)

[vee]

Alright I just want to write this because it needs to be said and I have both objectives on this because I was born in Utah and raised to the age of 13 there before my Dads company had his job moved to Colorado (thank god for that) When i first left I was destroyed I thought Utah was amazing. As I grew up I finally learned what it was really about...IGNORANCE. You must be JME, Jr.:D A wise man once said, "Youth is wasted on the young." Was he ever right. I hope you save this post and look at it in 20 years. By that time I hope your viewpoint will have expanded and matured, and your writing and vocabulary improved. Do you think such venting will give us an inferiority complex or cause an exodus from Utah? What if a lot of us misguided, insular Utahns took you at your word, saddled up and moved to your neighborhood? Would you like us better for moving to Colorado? Not to totally bash your input. Those of us over 35, if we are honest, look back on some of our youthful utterances with regret. And you did list some things you like. Very Libran. I did not know that young people were interested in astrology anymore.

[tazmo]

"I was just a young boy in Michigan, but guess what? When I went back there after six years in California, my "accent" gave me away to anyone I talked to. They were polite but asked me where I came from so they must have noticed something different. Why would they do that?"

Goodbird,

I don't want to make excuses, but when I worked the hotline we would try to guess where the caller was form. NJ and NY would stump me and FL would sometimes. Maybe it's just a Michigan thing. I do remember the California guys would usually start out with "DUDE" I have a problem" very little guess work there. People from UTAH would sound Canadian. Don't know why.

[goodbird]

tazmo: I did the same thing when I was a national lumber salesman. I would know when I answered the phone where the caller was coming from by their accent.

Trouble is, I found myself taking upon their accent when I talked to them. I often wondered if they realized I was doing that (unintentionally). I lived in Arkansas for a time and it wasn't long before I could "Y'all" with the best of them.

Goodbird;)

[Desertgirl]

Whoa, that was creepy. :eek:

[sroan]

Really, Madam Casper, we know you don't shy away from the naughty words:eek: but such a personal anecdote!:D ;)

[goodbird]

Name the time and place.


Goodbird:p

[vee]

1) i like going to wyoming to buy kiddie porn
2) i like the way the liquor store people look at me wierd when i want something more than 100 proof
3) i like my morning walks in the desert very hung over
4) i like how streets dont have names, but just numbers
5) i like how my nieghbor stares at me through my window at night drooling and moving something in his pocket
6) i like that i only have two more operations till im fully female
7) i like how i can go with underwear to the shopping center to buy stuff for my retarded dog
8) i like how people walk across my lawn and pee in my mail box
9) i like how my nieghbor can let me borrow one of his wives and he still has anouther one
10)i like how my nieghbor across the street lets me watch their little cute kid really really late at night after im really smashed on my 151 bacardi and they wait till ive watched my kiddie porn
p.s. hey goodbird want to come over to my house sometime while vee and i do some naughty things? ;)
There are a few disturbed people who post hate and spite, but joking about kiddie porn is pure filth and the product of a sick, sick mind. The first post was deleted and that was "only" joking about brother-sister incest and diarrhea! Interesting.

[*casper*]

I agree... some things you should not joke about. :(

[oldtrader]

The whole granny post was kind of sick.

[*casper*]

Really, Madam Casper, we know you don't shy away from the naughty words:eek: but such a personal anecdote!:D ;)

I missed this before sroad... I don't think it is funny that you might even hint that I wrote anything in this thread from that "oldgrannyinutah" person. To even pretend you think you are funny with this is stupid... there are to many people that would actually believe you :mad: Thanks a bunch :mad:

[sroan]

I missed this before sroad... I don't think it is funny that you might even hint that I wrote anything in this thread from that "oldgrannyinutah" person. To even pretend you think you are funny with this is stupid... there are to many people that would actually believe you :mad: Thanks a bunch :mad:Really, Madam Casper, no one would ever believe it was actually you-your fearlessness with language notwithstanding. Besides, in response to the one post it was amusing (or could have been depending on one's sense of humor). However, I would never have mentioned you had I known that warped creep would add the depraved kiddie porn stuff. On that basis I extend the olive branch.

[hannity hater]

I love it how in utah all you have to do is say something "offensive" and you can have your statements deleted and your account banned from the public forum.

[cjm]

I love it how in utah all you have to do is say something "offensive" and you can have your statements deleted and your account banned from the public forum."Offensive!" Is that all kiddie porn is to you? Are there any kids in your insular little universe where you are so caught up in defending misunderstood liberals and their causes? It was only the first post that was deleted, not the worst of them. Any respectable site would ban that pervert. Your outrage is misplaced. And don't bother coming back crying about free speech.

[The Druid II]

Have you ever wondered how someone with "hater" as part of their name expects to be considered reasonable and compassionate instead of merely putting forth an agenda of hate?

[hannity hater]

You still believe people outside the norm have free speech? I think it was a joke anyway. I didn't see any links to sites showing kiddie porn. Why not do what most would do, ignore it?

[hannity hater]

Have you ever wondered how someone with "hater" as part of their name expects to be considered reasonable and compassionate instead of merely putting forth an agenda of hate?


I never did claim to be reasonable or compassionate. I'm at peace with all of God's creatures, even cats.

[vee]

I never did claim to be reasonable or compassionate. I'm at peace with all of God's creatures, even cats.All God's creatures except Sean Hannity, and the people you call religious, Nascar dads and red state morons.

[The Druid II]

I never did claim to be reasonable or compassionate. I'm at peace with all of God's creatures, even cats.

At peace as long as everyone conforms to your own set of values and doesn't differ an iota.

As for cats, who says there is anything wrong with them. As the line says, I love cats, especially with bbq sauce.

[hannity hater]

At peace as long as everyone conforms to your own set of values and doesn't differ an iota.



Actually, I really like it when people disagree, I've learned a lot through discussion of different ideals. I hope you can too!

The difference is that when I see speech and conduct I find offensive I turn my head, many conservatives try to censor it.


All God's creatures except Sean Hannity, and the people you call religious, Nascar dads and red state morons.

Sean Hannity isn't one of God's creatures, unless God's in the White House, and the nascar dad's and red state morons believe that sometimes.

[The Druid II]

So as one who seems to be proclaiming himself a liberal (inclusive, caring and a way of thinking that takes into consideration all actions and thoughts) you proclaim by your name to hate conservatives. By the very nature of liberalism you show yourself to be a bigot and hatemonger. At least have the decency to say that you stand indepentent of liberalism and just spew your thoughts to see yourself on the screen.

[hannity hater]

I didn't say I was a liberal, first of all, and second I didn't say I hated conservatives. I hate hannity, it doesn't say conservative hater, it says hannity hater, thought you would have picked that up...

[The Druid II]

I didn't say I was a liberal, first of all, and second I didn't say I hated conservatives. I hate hannity, it doesn't say conservative hater, it says hannity hater, thought you would have picked that up...

No. you didn't say you were a liberal. Every statement you make and stance you take says it for you. Hating Hannity would indicate that you are so immersed in your liberalism that you fixate on any symbol you can find. You have claimed that you can listen and learn from anyone; it would seem that you meant only anyone you agree with.

[hannity hater]

No. you didn't say you were a liberal. Every statement you make and stance you take says it for you. Hating Hannity would indicate that you are so immersed in your liberalism that you fixate on any symbol you can find. You have claimed that you can listen and learn from anyone; it would seem that you meant only anyone you agree with.


Why do you need to put a label on my ideology? No, I didn't say I was a liberal, if you want me to be honest, I'm not a liberal. I'm much much more radical than that.

[buddy christ]

as someone who has studied theology extensively in hopes of becoming a pastor at one time, i can say mormons have to be one of the most backward mainstream religion groups out there. according to their own books their going to hell. why would you want to live in a place with such hypocritical people?

[goodbird]

okay, I'll bite: why WOULD I want to live in a place like this?


Goodbird:D

[patsview]

hey man, I hate to tell you this but all the other 49 states hate Califorina's. and yes they all blame all the world problems on us also. Even other countries hate us too. ie:Iran Iraq; ect... They hate us because of how the movies portray us. Also, I think they are all jealous of how beautiful, funny and out going we all are. Thats how living in CA made us. No place can ever beat that or us. Remember that the world in which we live will try to put you as a fellow CA down but dont listen to any one who will abuse you my fellow CA, be strong, you are in the right and all esle are in the dark zone. Other states dont even like to hear our own lingo, that yes we CA have created as to know each fellow CA. We Cailforna's must UNITE and fight the other 49 states of barbarian bemoans.
UNITE!


PATSVIEW

[buddy christ]

i wasn't asking rhetorically... i was seriously asking an open question. why would you want to surround yourself with blind people?

[goodbird]

you may get a better response if you would pose your question in the religion/philosopy category because I think that is what you wish to debate.


Goodbird:)