Moderators Please Note

[oldtrader]

Are the moderators for Southern Utah Forums, Bigots? Apparently they are, due to the Bigotry they allow to be preached on these threads.

If someone preached as much hatred based on Sex, Color Of Skin, Race, etc, they would be stopped immediately.

However, they allow rocmonkey to start threads filled with Hatred and Bigotry and are only his hate filled opinions without stopping him.

It is distasteful and hurtful to many posters, and has been the biggest reasons that the Southern Utah Forums are almost a thing of the past, as it has driven out a large number of posters that will no longer go to the site.

Think of the damage to potential new residents coming to St George that will never arrive, after reading these threads while making a decision where to go.

Think of the damage to the tourist industry, when potential visitors checking out the are, never come after reading the hatred spilled out by mainly one person that says he quit college to preach religions hatred for his church.

Moderators lets please stop religious hatred.

[Mr Ed]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

Are the moderators for Southern Utah Forums, Bigots? Apparently they are, due to the Bigotry they allow to be preached on these threads.

If someone preached as much hatred based on Sex, Color Of Skin, Race, etc, they would be stopped immediately.

However, they allow rocmonkey to start threads filled with Hatred and Bigotry and are only his hate filled opinions without stopping him.

It is distasteful and hurtful to many posters, and has been the biggest reasons that the Southern Utah Forums are almost a thing of the past, as it has driven out a large number of posters that will no longer go to the site.

Think of the damage to potential new residents coming to St George that will never arrive, after reading these threads while making a decision where to go.

Think of the damage to the tourist industry, when potential visitors checking out the are, never come after reading the hatred spilled out by mainly one person that says he quit college to preach religions hatred for his church.

Moderators lets please stop religious hatred.

If you really wanted to crack down on the preaching of hatred and bigotry, then put a stop to religion. That's where the majority of hatred and bigotry exists. Religions also seem to be safe-havens for child molesters, too. Look how Utah religious people seem to embrace the polygamous pedophiles. At least Texas is putting them in jail where they should be. Are polygamous pedophiles part of that Utah religious heritage?

[rocmonkey]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

Are the moderators for Southern Utah Forums, Bigots? Apparently they are, due to the Bigotry they allow to be preached on these threads.

If someone preached as much hatred based on Sex, Color Of Skin, Race, etc, they would be stopped immediately.

However, they allow rocmonkey to start threads filled with Hatred and Bigotry and are only his hate filled opinions without stopping him.

It is distasteful and hurtful to many posters, and has been the biggest reasons that the Southern Utah Forums are almost a thing of the past, as it has driven out a large number of posters that will no longer go to the site.

Think of the damage to potential new residents coming to St George that will never arrive, after reading these threads while making a decision where to go.

Think of the damage to the tourist industry, when potential visitors checking out the are, never come after reading the hatred spilled out by mainly one person that says he quit college to preach religions hatred for his church.

Moderators lets please stop religious hatred.

OT, are you serious?!! I have given the LDS references to EVERY quote I have given. EVERY one of them is straight from the mouth of the LDS god, LDS leaders (prophets and apostle - - 'LDS leaders' always mean these two groups) and LDS taught, printed and published words!

I'm glad you 'know' what "hatred and bigoted" is- but its your own church who said all of these things. I just repeat THEIR own words. How is that hatred and bigotry, pray tell (but you won't even try- No LDS ever does)?

And, I not only quote LDS words "word for word" and give clear references but I also off $1,000 to ANY who can show I have mistated or misquoted the LDS in ANY way. No LDS have ever, in over 12 years of my offer, been able to "prove" anything.

LDS want to slam Christianity and bash us, our God and His Bible but we can't speak THE truth about you? Get real, OT! The moderators haven't shut me down because, unlike most LDS, they have probably read the references to make sure I'm telling the gospel truth about Mormonism. And, I am!

And, if I'm spewing such hatred and bigotry, why haven't you shut me down by proving my quotes wrong and collect my money. You are a self-righteous bunch who can't handle THE truth, can't defend or refute it and want to hide THE truth about your god and how false he really is. I can't help the fact the LDS leaders do that. But,THAT, OT, is not hatred and bigotry on our part. Its hatred, bigotry and suppression of THE truth on the LDS part.

[The Druid II]

Originally Posted by rocmonkey

OT, are you serious?!! I have given the LDS references to EVERY quote I have given. EVERY one of them is straight from the mouth of the LDS god, LDS leaders (prophets and apostle - - 'LDS leaders' always mean these two groups) and LDS taught, printed and published words!

I'm glad you 'know' what "hatred and bigoted" is- but its your own church who said all of these things. I just repeat THEIR own words. How is that hatred and bigotry, pray tell (but you won't even try- No LDS ever does)?

And, I not only quote LDS words "word for word" and give clear references but I also off $1,000 to ANY who can show I have mistated or misquoted the LDS in ANY way. No LDS have ever, in over 12 years of my offer, been able to "prove" anything.

LDS want to slam Christianity and bash us, our God and His Bible but we can't speak THE truth about you? Get real, OT! The moderators haven't shut me down because, unlike most LDS, they have probably read the references to make sure I'm telling the gospel truth about Mormonism. And, I am!

And, if I'm spewing such hatred and bigotry, why haven't you shut me down by proving my quotes wrong and collect my money. You are a self-righteous bunch who can't handle THE truth, can't defend or refute it and want to hide THE truth about your god and how false he really is. I can't help the fact the LDS leaders do that. But,THAT, OT, is not hatred and bigotry on our part. Its hatred, bigotry and suppression of THE truth on the LDS part.

You would not admit to a truth different from your own desires unless you could twist it to suit your purposes. You use what you think you know of your own religion to bash anyone who thinks differently than you. You will not recognize any thing said unless it dovetails with your rules of evidence, warped as those are.

Rocmonkeyology is your only true religion, trying to run the lives of everyone else and proclaiming your own divinity when no one bothers to meet your requirements to dispell it.

The way you rant it would appear that the LDS must have rejected you (along with your own current church) and your hurt little feelings demand that you attack them.

Bigotted? Certainly. You attack only one religion or cause to the exclusion of all others. The very definition of a bigot.

By looking at oldtraders past posts you will see that I seldom agree with him. In this case he hit the nail on the head.

[*casper*]

Originally Posted by The Druid II

You would not admit to a truth different from your own desires unless you could twist it to suit your purposes. You use what you think you know of your own religion to bash anyone who thinks differently than you. You will not recognize any thing said unless it dovetails with your rules of evidence, warped as those are.

Rocmonkeyology is your only true religion, trying to run the lives of everyone else and proclaiming your own divinity when no one bothers to meet your requirements to dispell it.

The way you rant it would appear that the LDS must have rejected you (along with your own current church) and your hurt little feelings demand that you attack them.

Bigotted? Certainly. You attack only one religion or cause to the exclusion of all others. The very definition of a bigot.

By looking at oldtraders past posts you will see that I seldom agree with him. In this case he hit the nail on the head.

Plus you need to note that oldtrader RARELY posts in the religion threads.

[rocmonkey]

Originally Posted by *casper*

Plus you need to note that oldtrader RARELY posts in the religion threads.

He used to but one time he called me on my $1,000 offer AND WAS COMPLETELY UNABLE TO PROVE HIS CLAIM (I always prove my claims with clear references!). After that he shut up. No wonder he doesn't post in here. When he does, as with this thread, he tries to deceive those who may be wanting to know what THE truth really is about Mormon doctrines. Imagine that.

OT, like all LDS, wants to hide the truth about the LDS god's true doctrines- the ones the LDS church was totally founded and based on- and focus on the 'modernized' doctrines (or, changed doctrines, to the rest of us). The ones that totally contradict the original ones- the ones the LDS god COMMANDED to be taught as his forever and unchangeable doctrines just 2 hours earlier. To see real, unedited LDS doctrines up close go here - - -

http://forums.southernutah.com/showthread.php?t=7864

How can a god be unchangeable when his one and only constant is change?

The LDS say I'm a basher, anti-Mormon and a Mormon hater. I will post some of the mean things the LDS have said about Christians/Christianity next (in the thread I started) and show that the LDS, by their leaders OWN admission and preferences, are not Christians.

OT, you viciously attacked me for simply repeating what your leaders and your god's doctrines are- contrary to what your leaders asked of us non-LDS. They said they would thank us for showing them THE truth. Shame on you!

So, I will let everyone see what YOUR god and leaders have said about Christians and Christianity. Then, everyone will know that the LDS never wanted to be Christians- until it suited their economic benefit. Mormons have always been disgusted with and hated Christianity, until modern times. And, as usual, I will post the LDS books, pages and verses where they can be found. Most are in the LDS Standard Works (SW) so we know it is LDS gospel 'truth'.

[The Druid II]

Originally Posted by rocmonkey

No wonder he doesn't post in here. When he does, as with this thread, he tries to deceive those who may be wanting to know what THE truth really is about Mormon doctrines. Imagine that.

Can't have that...after all it is your job to deceive as many as possible.

Using your logic, since you claim to no longer respond to me, this must be the truth. You don't even attempt to argue it anymore. Too bad that you have been found out.

[*casper*]

Originally Posted by rocmonkey

He used to but one time he called me on my $1,000 offer AND WAS COMPLETELY UNABLE TO PROVE HIS CLAIM (I always prove my claims with clear references!). After that he shut up. No wonder he doesn't post in here. When he does, as with this thread, he tries to deceive those who may be wanting to know what THE truth really is about Mormon doctrines. Imagine that.

OT, like all LDS, wants to hide the truth about the LDS god's true doctrines- the ones the LDS church was totally founded and based on- and focus on the 'modernized' doctrines (or, changed doctrines, to the rest of us). The ones that totally contradict the original ones- the ones the LDS god COMMANDED to be taught as his forever and unchangeable doctrines just 2 hours earlier. To see real, unedited LDS doctrines up close go here - - -

http://forums.southernutah.com/showthread.php?t=7864

How can a god be unchangeable when his one and only constant is change?

The LDS say I'm a basher, anti-Mormon and a Mormon hater. I will post some of the mean things the LDS have said about Christians/Christianity next (in the thread I started) and show that the LDS, by their leaders OWN admission and preferences, are not Christians.

OT, you viciously attacked me for simply repeating what your leaders and your god's doctrines are- contrary to what your leaders asked of us non-LDS. They said they would thank us for showing them THE truth. Shame on you!

So, I will let everyone see what YOUR god and leaders have said about Christians and Christianity. Then, everyone will know that the LDS never wanted to be Christians- until it suited their economic benefit. Mormons have always been disgusted with and hated Christianity, until modern times. And, as usual, I will post the LDS books, pages and verses where they can be found. Most are in the LDS Standard Works (SW) so we know it is LDS gospel 'truth'.

roc.. who cares what the LDS believe? If you don't want to believe like they do, don't go to their church. Go somewhere you're happy..

[goodbird]

Looks like the odds are not in your favor here rocmonkey. In the "thread I started" concerning what do LDS doctrines say, you have been disingenuous in response to my attempts to answer the questions about doctrine. I quote modern day doctrine because that is what matters TODAY, and I maintain the premise that while God doesn't change his nature or ways, he allows us to find our way to him, he being the center of all. It is our fault when we stray, misunderstand, teach in error, simply because we are imperfect human beings. Yet you insist that LDS are incapabable of being wrong, blaming the so called "LDS god" for all that is incomplete.

I know I'm spitting in the wind concerning you, rocmonkey, because you have cemented in your mind we are wrong and lost, while you maintain you are the holder of all truth. If that were true, we would all be worshipping you.

[rocmonkey]

Originally Posted by goodbird

Looks like the odds are not in your favor here rocmonkey. In the "thread I started" concerning what do LDS doctrines say, you have been disingenuous in response to my attempts to answer the questions about doctrine. I quote modern day doctrine because that is what matters TODAY, and I maintain the premise that while God doesn't change his nature or ways, he allows us to find our way to him, he being the center of all. It is our fault when we stray, misunderstand, teach in error, simply because we are imperfect human beings. Yet you insist that LDS are incapabable of being wrong, blaming the so called "LDS god" for all that is incomplete.

I have not been disingenuous, GB. If your god is false nothing else matters. The LDS god is clearly not a god at all. He is more failure prone and less stable than the average schizophrenic in an institution.

I don't get how one can think errors are possible in a religion (LDS) where god literally speaks F2F with his prophets. It has been taught (as LDS doctrine) that the Bom was given "word for word" and god did not go to the next word until JS had written the first word down right. Why would your god change that perfect type of dictation when he knows we are error prone (he knows everything, remember?)?

That story don't fly anymore, GB. Everyone can now see clearly that your god is a man. He fails more than any man I have ever known.

I know I'm spitting in the wind concerning you, rocmonkey, because you have cemented in your mind we are wrong and lost, while you maintain you are the holder of all truth. If that were true, we would all be worshipping you.

I'm not the holder of ALL truth, God is. You (LDS) are being disingenuous by saying such. I have said, as your own leaders have, too, that the Bible is the standard of measure for what God has said to mankind. All books, churches and beliefs are judged by the Bible. Mormonism fails every single test, including the tests stated/given by its own leaders.

Don't attack or blame me for what your own prophets have taught, GB. Admit it and move on. But, LDS can't do that because that would prove the LDS church is false. What a tangled web they (LDS founders) weaved when first they practiced to deceive.

[rocmonkey]

Originally Posted by *casper*

roc.. who cares what the LDS believe? If you don't want to believe like they do, don't go to their church. Go somewhere you're happy..

There are those who want to know THE truth. I am doing this for them. No one has to end up in hell and many may not go there because of the LDS doctrines I expose as "hatred and bigotry" and "outrageous and blasphemous"- - both of these statements were made by LDS regarding LDS doctrines I had quoted. Its clear some LDS do know blasphemous when they see it. They just didn't know it was their own (LDS) doctrines until I posted the reference and then they didn't reply to my posts. I wonder why?

[*casper*]

Originally Posted by rocmonkey

There are those who want to know THE truth. I am doing this for them. No one has to end up in hell and many may not go there because of the LDS doctrines I expose as "hatred and bigotry" and "outrageous and blasphemous"- - both of these statements were made by LDS regarding LDS doctrines I had quoted. Its clear some LDS do know blasphemous when they see it. They just didn't know it was their own (LDS) doctrines until I posted the reference and then they didn't reply to my posts. I wonder why?

But for the life of me I don't remember reading anyone saying... "rocmonkey, please save us from hellfire and tell us the truth"...

does anyone else.. please, show me where someone asked rocmonkey to show them the light and I won't post in the religion threads anymore...

[The Druid II]

Originally Posted by rocmonkey

There are those who want to know THE truth. I am doing this for them. No one has to end up in hell and many may not go there because of the LDS doctrines I expose as "hatred and bigotry" and "outrageous and blasphemous"- - both of these statements were made by LDS regarding LDS doctrines I had quoted. Its clear some LDS do know blasphemous when they see it. They just didn't know it was their own (LDS) doctrines until I posted the reference and then they didn't reply to my posts. I wonder why?

The truth is that they figured out how full of crap you are and what a bigot you are and didn't bother responding just to hear your garbage again. The only hatred and bigotry you expose is your own.

Since this is the truth and even you can't deny it, don't respond.

[oldtrader]

rocmonkey is like all bigots. The truth is what ever they say it is. Of course only they know the truth, and feel they must spread their hatred.

It has not been long, since the KKK spread hatred about black skinned people. Today we have a black man taking the office of the President Of The United States in a few days.

Women were denied the vote for a long time. Today they can actually vote in elections.

It was not long ago that some people in Wyoming tied a young man to a barbed wire fence because he was homosexual.

People are getting beyond such hatred today, except for rocmonkey. He is so filled with hatred, he is beyond help. He is like the KKK of religion. Does he wear a white sheet while he sits there at his computer and preaches his hatred? Does he burn a cross in front of churches?

The so called men that hung a young man on a fence for being homosexual were very sick in the head individuals. The KKK were sick in the head. Bigoted People that spread hatred about any group of people based on sex, race, country of origin, or religion are sick and tormented in the same way. Rocmonkey's goal in life is to offend others with his hate filled logic about others religion, comes from a sick mind the same way that the KKK were sick individuals spreading their hatred.

Bigotry and hatred have no place in this country. It is time to put a stop to it.

[rocmonkey]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

rocmonkey is like all bigots. The truth is what ever they say it is. Of course only they know the truth, and feel they must spread their hatred.

Glad you KNOW bigotry, hatred and truth, OT. Every one should know how to tell these.

Now, show me where I have been a bigot or hateful. I sure would like an opportunity to defend myself. Since I give the LDS that opportunity, it just seems appropriate and right that they would offer me the same fairness. So, please give the "specific" words I said that make me those things, OK? Thanks.

1- It has not been long, since the KKK spread hatred about black skinned people. Today we have a black man taking the office of the President Of The United States in a few days.

2- Women were denied the vote for a long time. Today they can actually vote in elections.

3- It was not long ago that some people in Wyoming tied a young man to a barbed wire fence because he was homosexual.

4- People are getting beyond such hatred today, except for rocmonkey. He is so filled with hatred, he is beyond help. He is like the KKK of religion. Does he wear a white sheet while he sits there at his computer and preaches his hatred? Does he burn a cross in front of churches?

The so called men that hung a young man on a fence for being homosexual were very sick in the head individuals. The KKK were sick in the head. Bigoted People that spread hatred about any group of people based on sex, race, country of origin, or religion are sick and tormented in the same way. Rocmonkey's goal in life is to offend others with his hate filled logic about others religion, comes from a sick mind the same way that the KKK were sick individuals spreading their hatred.

Bigotry and hatred have no place in this country. It is time to put a stop to it.

1- What a shameful display of "man's inhumanity to man", huh? Thank God we are passed those days.

2- Isn't America GREAT!? Everyone is now equal.

3- You are sorely mistaken. Did you not hear "the rest of that story"? Do a google search, then. It had nothing to do with his homosexuality.

4- The LDS are just incensed because they can't disprove anything I say. That stands as a stark reminder that their church and beliefs are man-made. That's why you are so mad.

'IF' I am so wrong about LDS doctrines, prove it. Hate and bigotry is always easy to prove. So oldtrader, what are you waiting for?